Two therapists who found what therapy was missing.
We're Ilya and Julia — married, parents to two kiddos, and former licensed therapists with 25 combined years, thousands of client hours, and practices that stayed full with hardly any marketing. And the whole time, we were running one more practice nobody saw — the one at home. From the start, our passion was intense, and so was our fighting. Exactly the fights you're in now.
That was the laboratory. For fifteen years, everything we knew professionally met everything that happened in our own kitchen — real fights and real repairs, not the demonstration kind — until the moments that used to blow us apart became the moments that bring us closest. And what came out of it isn't therapy brought home. It's something we built — with wild creativity, deep play, and a conviction none of our training gave us: two people who love each other can do this for each other, no professional in the room. That became Transformative Listening: a repeatable skill any two people can learn.
It changed our marriage — and then the marriages of the couples we brought it to — so profoundly that we left our therapy careers behind to do one thing: bring this work to the world. We work as coaches and educators now. What we do together isn't therapy. It's training. Because nobody gets better at pushups by talking about them.
